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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2600Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2597Indeed, very precise in her questions about the remoaners' lies...Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2594Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2591
Zurueck zum Brexit. Julie's Meinung zum Referendum:
https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...8ab&oe=5D87E085
Those f...cking 17,410,742 Leave-Votes of old, retarded, racist Colonel Blimps. I don't know who Julie is, but I guess she is an upright progressive who appreciates democracy...
She was actually quite precise in her questions. And the respect is her personal one to grant.
When people have been lied to, then it is rather foolish, or simply dishonest, to use their votes -based on lies- a proof for truth. But then again, it is only logic which dictates it.
And some people never will comprehend that.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew...gtTM9f3tuFZqx3F
"Indeed" confirms what she said. The commentary does too. There you have what one would call a self defeating argument.
Although the commentary by Ellery is rather laughable. :-)
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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2601Irony is not yours. :-)Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2600Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2597Indeed, very precise in her questions about the remoaners' lies...Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2594Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2591
Zurueck zum Brexit. Julie's Meinung zum Referendum:
https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...8ab&oe=5D87E085
Those f...cking 17,410,742 Leave-Votes of old, retarded, racist Colonel Blimps. I don't know who Julie is, but I guess she is an upright progressive who appreciates democracy...
She was actually quite precise in her questions. And the respect is her personal one to grant.
When people have been lied to, then it is rather foolish, or simply dishonest, to use their votes -based on lies- a proof for truth. But then again, it is only logic which dictates it.
And some people never will comprehend that.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew...gtTM9f3tuFZqx3F
"Indeed" confirms what she said. The commentary does too. There you have what one would call a self defeating argument.
Although the commentary by Ellery is rather laughable. :-)
Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2602Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2601Irony is not yours. :-)Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2600Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2597Indeed, very precise in her questions about the remoaners' lies...Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2594Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2591
Zurueck zum Brexit. Julie's Meinung zum Referendum:
https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...8ab&oe=5D87E085
Those f...cking 17,410,742 Leave-Votes of old, retarded, racist Colonel Blimps. I don't know who Julie is, but I guess she is an upright progressive who appreciates democracy...
She was actually quite precise in her questions. And the respect is her personal one to grant.
When people have been lied to, then it is rather foolish, or simply dishonest, to use their votes -based on lies- a proof for truth. But then again, it is only logic which dictates it.
And some people never will comprehend that.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew...gtTM9f3tuFZqx3F
"Indeed" confirms what she said. The commentary does too. There you have what one would call a self defeating argument.
Although the commentary by Ellery is rather laughable. :-)
So now again it's "irony".
Ah, the irony. 😂
Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2603Next time I shall lend you a helping hand by marking the irony. :-)Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2602Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2601Irony is not yours. :-)Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2600Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2597Indeed, very precise in her questions about the remoaners' lies...Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2594Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2591
Zurueck zum Brexit. Julie's Meinung zum Referendum:
https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...8ab&oe=5D87E085
Those f...cking 17,410,742 Leave-Votes of old, retarded, racist Colonel Blimps. I don't know who Julie is, but I guess she is an upright progressive who appreciates democracy...
She was actually quite precise in her questions. And the respect is her personal one to grant.
When people have been lied to, then it is rather foolish, or simply dishonest, to use their votes -based on lies- a proof for truth. But then again, it is only logic which dictates it.
And some people never will comprehend that.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew...gtTM9f3tuFZqx3F
"Indeed" confirms what she said. The commentary does too. There you have what one would call a self defeating argument.
Although the commentary by Ellery is rather laughable. :-)
So now again it's "irony".
Ah, the irony. 😂
Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2604Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2603Next time I shall lend you a helping hand by marking the irony. :-)Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2602Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2601Irony is not yours. :-)Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2600Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2597Indeed, very precise in her questions about the remoaners' lies...Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2594Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2591
Zurueck zum Brexit. Julie's Meinung zum Referendum:
https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...8ab&oe=5D87E085
Those f...cking 17,410,742 Leave-Votes of old, retarded, racist Colonel Blimps. I don't know who Julie is, but I guess she is an upright progressive who appreciates democracy...
She was actually quite precise in her questions. And the respect is her personal one to grant.
When people have been lied to, then it is rather foolish, or simply dishonest, to use their votes -based on lies- a proof for truth. But then again, it is only logic which dictates it.
And some people never will comprehend that.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew...gtTM9f3tuFZqx3F
"Indeed" confirms what she said. The commentary does too. There you have what one would call a self defeating argument.
Although the commentary by Ellery is rather laughable. :-)
So now again it's "irony".
Ah, the irony. 😂
Too late. I recognize subterfuges when I see them.
Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2605Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2604Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2603Next time I shall lend you a helping hand by marking the irony. :-)Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2602Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2601Irony is not yours. :-)Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2600Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2597Indeed, very precise in her questions about the remoaners' lies...Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2594Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2591
Zurueck zum Brexit. Julie's Meinung zum Referendum:
https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...8ab&oe=5D87E085
Those f...cking 17,410,742 Leave-Votes of old, retarded, racist Colonel Blimps. I don't know who Julie is, but I guess she is an upright progressive who appreciates democracy...
She was actually quite precise in her questions. And the respect is her personal one to grant.
When people have been lied to, then it is rather foolish, or simply dishonest, to use their votes -based on lies- a proof for truth. But then again, it is only logic which dictates it.
And some people never will comprehend that.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew...gtTM9f3tuFZqx3F
"Indeed" confirms what she said. The commentary does too. There you have what one would call a self defeating argument.
Although the commentary by Ellery is rather laughable. :-)
So now again it's "irony".
Ah, the irony. 😂
Too late. I recognize subterfuges when I see them.
😂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I83_0JcU36I
That's how identity politics work: Six morons talk whether an Englishman has the right to make some judgement about the Englishness of London. :-)
I guess everyone of them voted for remain.
And, of course, the brilliant mayor of London (attention, that's irony) couldn't stop condemning John Cleese for his remarks...
Theresa May the backbencher will try to frustrate any plans for no-deal Brexit
The PM 'has always believed the best way for Britain to leave the EU is with a deal'
The Prime Minister has vowed to stay on as an MP once she leaves Downing Street, and will throw her weight behind stopping Mr Johnson withdrawing from the EU “deal or no deal” come 31 October should he succeed her.
When asked if she would oppose a no-deal Brexit, a Downing Street source told i the PM “has always believed the best way for Britain to leave the EU is with a deal”, signalling she would be willing to work to block Mr Johnson’s no deal plans.
The source added: “She sincerely hopes that her successor will be able to secure a Brexit deal that can be approved by the EU and by the UK Parliament.”
It is likely she will be joined by fellow Cabinet members who are expected to be sacked under a Johnson administration, such as Chancellor Philip Hammond and Business Secretary Greg Clark.
Opposition to leaving the bloc without a deal in place on Halloween is firming up, with a number of high-profile Tories pledging to topple any future government that attempted to push ahead with a no-deal Brexit.
The Work and Pensions Secretary, Amber Rudd, said she believed there were sufficient numbers of Tory MPs to bring down the Government in a confidence vote against their own prime minister under such circumstances. ...
Former attorney general Dominic Grieve told the House of Commons last week he “would not hesitate” to bring down a Tory government if it adopted a policy to leave without a deal.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/theres...no-deal-brexit/
Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2608btw, who is Theresa May?
Theresa May the backbencher will try to frustrate any plans for no-deal Brexit
The PM 'has always believed the best way for Britain to leave the EU is with a deal'
The Prime Minister has vowed to stay on as an MP once she leaves Downing Street, and will throw her weight behind stopping Mr Johnson withdrawing from the EU “deal or no deal” come 31 October should he succeed her.
When asked if she would oppose a no-deal Brexit, a Downing Street source told i the PM “has always believed the best way for Britain to leave the EU is with a deal”, signalling she would be willing to work to block Mr Johnson’s no deal plans.
The source added: “She sincerely hopes that her successor will be able to secure a Brexit deal that can be approved by the EU and by the UK Parliament.”
It is likely she will be joined by fellow Cabinet members who are expected to be sacked under a Johnson administration, such as Chancellor Philip Hammond and Business Secretary Greg Clark.
Opposition to leaving the bloc without a deal in place on Halloween is firming up, with a number of high-profile Tories pledging to topple any future government that attempted to push ahead with a no-deal Brexit.
The Work and Pensions Secretary, Amber Rudd, said she believed there were sufficient numbers of Tory MPs to bring down the Government in a confidence vote against their own prime minister under such circumstances. ...
Former attorney general Dominic Grieve told the House of Commons last week he “would not hesitate” to bring down a Tory government if it adopted a policy to leave without a deal.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/theres...no-deal-brexit/
No-Deal Brexit Threat Is Act of Self-Harm, Business Chief Says
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...umhlA8Hp0UVi1Mc
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48613921
"MPs have rejected a Labour-led effort to take control of Parliament's timetable, blocking the latest attempt to stop a no-deal Brexit.
The Commons opposed the move by 309 votes to 298."
Die Labour Party, immer gerne bereit, sich selbst ins Knie zu schießen. Kein Wunder, dass die Briten trotz der offensichtlichen Schwäche der Tories diesen Leuten nicht das Land anvertrauen wollen. Was man bei der Verhandlungsführung lernt, ist, dass derjenige, der unbedingt einen Vertragsabschluss erreichen will, derjenige ist, der die vertraglich schlechteren Konditionen hinnehmen muss. Man muss kein Master in the Art of the Deal sein, um die Grundlagen der Verhandlungsführung zu kennen; es reicht, kein Labour-Mitglied zu sein. :-)
The Tories would now rather face Scottish independence than lose Brexit
For Conservative Leavers, the 312-year-old Union between England and Scotland is secondary to the need to leave the EU at all costs.
Here, from the perspective of a certain type of Scot — let’s call him the despairing Unionist — is how the United Kingdom currently looks.
We are about to have yet another Old Etonian prime minister, chosen for us by an ageing, Jag-driving, 19th-hole-bothering Conservative gerontocracy with an imperial twitch and a growing passion for a no-deal Brexit.
The Old Etonian in question is the most cartoonish example of the caste: an entitled, amoral chancer who has repeatedly and flagrantly proved himself unfit for office. His sole qualifications appear to be impermeable self-confidence, a schoolboyish sense of destiny, and a character act that even Richard Curtis would have rejected as a half-worked cartoonist’s doodle.
This, somehow, is the culmination of decades of political debate and policy development around class, social mobility, meritocracy, and opportunity — in 21st century Britain it is still the natural order of things that the plebs be ruled over by a feckless, spoiled princeling. ...
... The Brexit debate is England talking to itself. Screw the French and the Germans. Screw Belgium and Luxembourg. Screw Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic. Wales will do what it’s told. Hello there, Mr Trump.
Tiny Scotland voted 62-38 to remain in the EU, an overwhelming majority in modern British democratic terms. Every one of its 32 local authority areas had a majority for Remain. In contrast, big England voted by the narrowest of margins to leave, and that’s what counts.
Subsequent Scottish suggestions about single market membership and a customs union, about immigration needs, about global reputation and alliances, have been given short shrift. The English half-decision is being interpreted in the most extreme fashion possible. The preposterous Nigel Farage stands as the archetype: a boastful, boozy travelling salesman with a painted-on smile who dreads the arrival of darkness because he weeps in the night in his provincial hotel. A home counties take on a John Cheever character.
The Tories would anyway rather leave the EU and lose Scotland than the opposite. They would sacrifice the Good Friday Agreement and peace in Northern Ireland. Nothing, not even the integrity of the country itself, can stand in the way of English exceptionalism. ....
This is not intended as a clarion call for Scottish independence. It is, I suppose, a statement of accounts from a frustrated and baffled and somewhat distressed section of north Britain. It is based on many months of conversations with Scots in politics and business and elsewhere. The bonds are coming loose, and in the unlikeliest of places. Are you listening, England? Do you care? What, in any event, can you do about it? After 300 years or so, is the United Kingdom to die of neglect?
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk...nce-lose-brexit
The Surreal Contest to Succeed Theresa May
...An air of utter unreality suffuses the whole contest—a mismatch between what it will take in order to win the leadership and the situation the winner will face as a prime minister presiding over a divided country, a hung parliament, and a negotiation with a far more powerful interlocutor, the EU, which has said, again and again, that it will not re-open the deal. And because no one can see beyond Brexit (and the Brexit Party), the candidates have offered little beyond Tory motherhood and apple pie about the direction they would take the Conservative Party (and the country) if and when the separation is achieved.
The one exception to this depressing rule is the International Development Secretary, Rory Stewart, whose devil-may-care willingness to tell it like it is has resulted in an innovative, enterprising, and endearingly honest campaign. That his admirable efforts seem doomed to failure (he won just 19 MPs on Thursday) tells you all you need to know.
Whoever wins the election—Johnson, Hunt, Gove, or a lightning-strike-lucky Stewart—will have the unenviable, perhaps impossible, task of pivoting back to reality in order to rescue the party, and the country, from the Brexit mess.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/...m_medium=social
"International Development Secretary Rory Stewart, who received 19 votes in the first ballot, said he had the necessary 33 backers to stay in the race "if they do what they say"."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48671048
Hmm, darauf würde ich mich an seiner Stelle nicht verlassen. Das ist "House of Cards" pur. Mit Rory Stewart würde das Land meiner Ansicht nach einen zweiten Blair bekommen...
‘We’re a divided kingdom now’: UK sinking into Brexit gloom
According to a major new poll from BritainThinks, 69% of Britons are feeling pessimistic about the state of national unity
...But findings from the thinktank BritainThinks, polling more than 2,000 adults across the UK, reveal a starkly despondent national mood; 69% of adults feel pessimistic about national unity and 72% believe that, within a year, Britain will become more divided than it already is. Only 20% of Remain voters feel very or fairly hopeful about the UK’s future. Dean Stevens, a 49-year-old warehouse supervisor from Leicester, lays the blame squarely at the feet of politicians.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201..._dqa6u_LhoU-5ug
Great prospects for a happy future in the shit!
Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2611
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48613921
"MPs have rejected a Labour-led effort to take control of Parliament's timetable, blocking the latest attempt to stop a no-deal Brexit.
The Commons opposed the move by 309 votes to 298."
Die Labour Party, immer gerne bereit, sich selbst ins Knie zu schießen. Kein Wunder, dass die Briten trotz der offensichtlichen Schwäche der Tories diesen Leuten nicht das Land anvertrauen wollen. Was man bei der Verhandlungsführung lernt, ist, dass derjenige, der unbedingt einen Vertragsabschluss erreichen will, derjenige ist, der die vertraglich schlechteren Konditionen hinnehmen muss. Man muss kein Master in the Art of the Deal sein, um die Grundlagen der Verhandlungsführung zu kennen; es reicht, kein Labour-Mitglied zu sein. :-)
Meine Vorstellungskraft reicht wohl einfach nicht, wie man angesichts der Verhandlungsführung der Tories auf die Idee kommen könnte, dass Labor das noch schlechter hinbekommt.
Zitat von Landegaard im Beitrag #2617Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2611
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48613921
"MPs have rejected a Labour-led effort to take control of Parliament's timetable, blocking the latest attempt to stop a no-deal Brexit.
The Commons opposed the move by 309 votes to 298."
Die Labour Party, immer gerne bereit, sich selbst ins Knie zu schießen. Kein Wunder, dass die Briten trotz der offensichtlichen Schwäche der Tories diesen Leuten nicht das Land anvertrauen wollen. Was man bei der Verhandlungsführung lernt, ist, dass derjenige, der unbedingt einen Vertragsabschluss erreichen will, derjenige ist, der die vertraglich schlechteren Konditionen hinnehmen muss. Man muss kein Master in the Art of the Deal sein, um die Grundlagen der Verhandlungsführung zu kennen; es reicht, kein Labour-Mitglied zu sein. :-)
Meine Vorstellungskraft reicht wohl einfach nicht, wie man angesichts der Verhandlungsführung der Tories auf die Idee kommen könnte, dass Labor das noch schlechter hinbekommt.
Da ist meine Vorstellungskraft wohl größer. :-)
19:07
Results in full
Boris Johnson - 126
Jeremy Hunt - 46
Michael Gove - 41
Rory Stewart - 37
Sajid Javid - 33
Dominic Raab - 30 - KNOCKED OUT
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-48678723
Ich vermute, die meisten Raab-Unterstützer werden Johnson unterstützen, da sich die beiden in ihrer Position zum Brexit am meisten ähneln.
Lying Politicians Leading U.K. to No-Deal Brexit, Ex-Envoy Says
The U.K.’s former ambassador to the European Union blasted the “denial, delusion-mongering and deception” in British politics, which he predicts is leading the country to a damaging no-deal Brexit.
Ivan Rogers, who served as Theresa May’s envoy in Brussels until 2017, attacked the political elite “which has great difficulties discerning and telling the truth.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...mjv2P30e8BMsvBM
Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2620Yes, deception by those politicians who promised to execute the people's will and who refused to deliver Brexit.
Lying Politicians Leading U.K. to No-Deal Brexit, Ex-Envoy Says
The U.K.’s former ambassador to the European Union blasted the “denial, delusion-mongering and deception” in British politics, which he predicts is leading the country to a damaging no-deal Brexit.
I think the best choice Tory members could possibly have is between Johnson and Stewart - a clear Brexiteer and a hidden Blairite and bilderberger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2LIsBbYt94
Peter Hitchens begeht die ultimative Häresie - er "delegitimiert" den Status Quo und legitimiert damit Trump, Putin und Erdogan. Auf diesem Niveau unterhalten sich inzwischen auch "Historiker" (oder sollte ich schreiben "Hysteriker"). Alles ist im liberal-demokratischen System erlaubt, nur keine fundamentale Kritik an diesem System. Und wenn das System mangelhaft ist, dann ist die Lösung mehr liberale Demokratie. Peter Hitchens, der ehemalige Trotzkist, hat vermutlich mehr Gespür für die totalitären Tendenzen des Systems.
"Jetzt bricht sich eine Rebellion Bahn. Die herrschenden Klassen in all diesen Ländern sind plötzlich mit Wählern konfrontiert, die auf verschiedene Art und Weise und aus verschiedenen Gründen sagen: „Wer sind Sie eigentlich? Sie müssen uns Rede und Antwort stehen! Sie können nicht einfach ohne uns entscheiden. Sie können uns nicht einfach bevormunden und verächtlich machen. Wir wollen mitreden und wir wollen, dass unsere Werte berücksichtigt werden.“ Die wirtschaftliche Stagnation kann zur Unzufriedenheit der Menschen beitragen, aber wirtschaftliche Fragen spielen eher eine Nebenrolle. Es geht im Wesentlichen um einen Kulturkampf.
Den Technokraten dämmert es plötzlich, dass sie ihre politischen Maßnahmen nicht mehr von oben herab diktieren können, ohne mit Widerstand rechnen zu müssen. Siehe zum Beispiel die Gelbwesten-Bewegung in Frankreich. Es wurde eine trendige, grüne Kraftstoffsteuer eingeführt, ohne zu berücksichtigen, was das für Konsequenzen für normale Menschen haben würde. Und dann eskalierte der Konflikt, und es ging um viel mehr als den Preis von Benzin. Es gibt also verschiedene Formen von Rebellion, und sie werden zumeist von sogenannten „Populisten“ angeführt. Sie werden als Populisten bezeichnet, weil sie tatsächlich populär sind, und weil die Menschen, die sie so bezeichnen, nicht wissen was es heißt, populär zu sein. Also versuchen sie, diese Bewegungen zu dämonisieren. Aber die Eliten verstehen einfach nicht, was los ist. Sie verstehen noch nicht einmal das Ausmaß der Herausforderung, mit der sie konfrontiert sind."
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/Der_Brexi...linkes_Anliegen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM39QUiAsoM
Five little Tory boys going in for law;
One got in Chancery, and then there were four.
Johnson adds another 17 votes as Stewart loses support of 10 MPs
Here's the difference between today's third round and yesterday's second round:
Boris Johnson: 143 votes (+17 from second round)
Jeremy Hunt: 54 (+8)
Michael Gove: 51 (+10)
Sajid Javid: 38 (+5)
Rory Stewart: 27 (-10)
Stewart eliminated - dann hat der ganze Pressehype nichts genutzt - wie bei Clinton nicht, bei Hadad nicht, bei Drahos nicht...
Rory Stewart's exit means the Tories have now given up on reality
Hard-Brexiter colleagues are now cheering the MP’s lost contest, but they are in for a shock
The problem he faced is the same one they will face in a few months. In essence, only Tory members can win you a leadership election, but only non-Tory members can then win you a general election. The two electorates are diametrically opposed when it comes to no-deal and you cannot placate them both.
Stewart enjoyed popular appeal and viscerally opposed no-deal, and as such could never have won the leadership contest. The next prime minister will experience the problem in reverse. By winning this leadership election, that person all but guarantees he loses the general election which shortly follows.
The only possible conclusion of Stewart’s defeat is that the Tories have finally given up on reality. They don’t want to hear the truth because they can’t afford to. Brexit has become the party’s lifeline: the Conservatives have absorbed and locked it into their DNA. The moment they unravel a tiny thread, as Stewart did, the whole edifice comes crashing down. As such there is only one thing they can do – tense themselves, focus and keep lying. For now it is a condition of survival. It won’t hold much longer.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...WmpQ2tc0UdbUKaE
Absolutely fascinating. The now unfolding disaster is totally predictable -but nevertheless fascinating.
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