Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2225

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2224

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Russian politician says on live TV that Russia stole U.S. presidency
Russian politician Vyacheslav Nikonov, a member of the Duma, said U.S. "intelligence missed it when Russian intelligence stole the president of the United States." He made the remarks on a Russian panel show, "Sunday Evening with Vladimir Solovyov."

The episode centered on the U.S.' diminishing power on the world stage and the resulting chaos, The Hill reports. University of Virginia professor Allen Lynch told The Hill that Nikonov's statement was directed at the idea that the U.S. must be losing power if it can't uphold the integrity of its own electoral system.
https://www.axios.com/russian-politician...2484056561.html

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Ich finde, der Glaube daran, dass Russland Trump die Präsidentschaft verschafft hat, verdient die Anerkennung als Religion. Wenn man an nichts glaubt, an keinen guten Gott, an die Menschheit, an den Fortschritt, an die Diktatur des Proletariats kann man immer noch an die Allmacht Putins und seiner Hacker glauben.

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Russia probes pose loyalty test for Team Trump
Lawyers representing Donald Trump’s current and former aides are giving their clients one simple piece of advice: don’t lie to protect the president.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/12...-loyalty-242570

Exclusive: Russia Used Facebook Events to Organize Anti-Immigrant Rallies on U.S. Soil
Pushing fake news was just one component of the Russian campaign to shape American minds. Part two: organizing anti-immigrant events echoing themes from the pro-Trump press.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-r...lies-on-us-soil

Report: Russian Think Tank Made Plan to Sway 2016 U.S. Election
A Russian think tank controlled by the Kremlin wrote up an elaborate plan on how to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election in the months leading up to the vote, Reuters reported Wednesday, citing U.S. officials. The Russian Institute for Strategic Studies prepared strategy papers that were distributed among high-ranking members of the Russian government, three current and four former U.S. officials told Reuters.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/report-russ...016-us-election

Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2226

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2225

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2224

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Russian politician says on live TV that Russia stole U.S. presidency
Russian politician Vyacheslav Nikonov, a member of the Duma, said U.S. "intelligence missed it when Russian intelligence stole the president of the United States." He made the remarks on a Russian panel show, "Sunday Evening with Vladimir Solovyov."

The episode centered on the U.S.' diminishing power on the world stage and the resulting chaos, The Hill reports. University of Virginia professor Allen Lynch told The Hill that Nikonov's statement was directed at the idea that the U.S. must be losing power if it can't uphold the integrity of its own electoral system.
https://www.axios.com/russian-politician...2484056561.html

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Ich finde, der Glaube daran, dass Russland Trump die Präsidentschaft verschafft hat, verdient die Anerkennung als Religion. Wenn man an nichts glaubt, an keinen guten Gott, an die Menschheit, an den Fortschritt, an die Diktatur des Proletariats kann man immer noch an die Allmacht Putins und seiner Hacker glauben.

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Was du ueber anderer Leute Glauben findest, ist natuerlich alleine deine Sache. Interessant ist aber stets, daraus dein Realitaetsverstaendnis, kritisches Denkvermoegen und deine Denkweisen, Praeferenzen und Prioritaeten erkennen zu koennen. Und natuerlich auch wie immer den Umfang deiner Kenntnisse ueber die argumentative Logik.
Immer vorausgesetzt, dass es nicht ein bewusste Ablenkung oder Irrefuehrung fuer jene waere, die sich mit solchen Dingen nicht auskennen. :-)

"...an die Allmacht Putins und seiner Hacker glauben" ist mal wieder eine solcher Akt, der einen guten Hinweis liefert.
Denn solches ist laengst als "Strohmann Argument" or "Strawman Fallacy" unter den Logikfehlern bekannt.

Nur wer solches nicht kennt, faellt drauf rein. Propagandisten bedienen sich solcher Argumentationen taeglich. Fehlerhafter Argumentationen. Und das ganz bewusst. Weil das angesprochene Klientel bildungsmaessig in der Regel nicht die Voraussetzungen mitbringt, solches leicht zu erkennen.
Propaganda lebt davon. Je duemmer die Abnehmer, um so erfolgreicher die Propagandisten. :-)))

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2229

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2226

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2225

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2224

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Russian politician says on live TV that Russia stole U.S. presidency
Russian politician Vyacheslav Nikonov, a member of the Duma, said U.S. "intelligence missed it when Russian intelligence stole the president of the United States." He made the remarks on a Russian panel show, "Sunday Evening with Vladimir Solovyov."

The episode centered on the U.S.' diminishing power on the world stage and the resulting chaos, The Hill reports. University of Virginia professor Allen Lynch told The Hill that Nikonov's statement was directed at the idea that the U.S. must be losing power if it can't uphold the integrity of its own electoral system.
https://www.axios.com/russian-politician...2484056561.html

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Ich finde, der Glaube daran, dass Russland Trump die Präsidentschaft verschafft hat, verdient die Anerkennung als Religion. Wenn man an nichts glaubt, an keinen guten Gott, an die Menschheit, an den Fortschritt, an die Diktatur des Proletariats kann man immer noch an die Allmacht Putins und seiner Hacker glauben.

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Was du ueber anderer Leute Glauben findest, ist natuerlich alleine deine Sache. Interessant ist aber stets, daraus dein Realitaetsverstaendnis, kritisches Denkvermoegen und deine Denkweisen, Praeferenzen und Prioritaeten erkennen zu koennen. Und natuerlich auch wie immer den Umfang deiner Kenntnisse ueber die argumentative Logik.
Immer vorausgesetzt, dass es nicht ein bewusste Ablenkung oder Irrefuehrung fuer jene waere, die sich mit solchen Dingen nicht auskennen. :-)

"...an die Allmacht Putins und seiner Hacker glauben" ist mal wieder eine solcher Akt, der einen guten Hinweis liefert.
Denn solches ist laengst als "Strohmann Argument" or "Strawman Fallacy" unter den Logikfehlern bekannt.

Nur wer solches nicht kennt, faellt drauf rein. Propagandisten bedienen sich solcher Argumentationen taeglich. Fehlerhafter Argumentationen. Und das ganz bewusst. Weil das angesprochene Klientel bildungsmaessig in der Regel nicht die Voraussetzungen mitbringt, solches leicht zu erkennen.
Propaganda lebt davon. Je duemmer die Abnehmer, um so erfolgreicher die Propagandisten. :-)))

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Ein Politiker, nicht einmal ein Spezialist für Geheimdienstfragen, macht eine Bemerkung im Fernsehen, möglicherweise um sich aufzuspielen, und du stellst das hier ein. Ist das ein Beweis? Oder ein Beleg? Es ist nichts von beidem.

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2229

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Ihr Demokraten könnt einfach nicht verwinden, dass ein Donald Trump die Wahlen gewonnen hat, ganz regulär - jedenfalls mit nicht mehr Manipulationen von beiden Seiten als sonst auch - und dass Hillary Rodham die Wahlen verloren hat. Nicht weil Trump und die Republikaner so gut waren, sondern weil Hillary und die Demokraten so schlecht waren.

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2229

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Also werden VT bemüht. Ihr seid einfach schlechte Verlierer, sore losers. :-)

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White House lawyers wanted to cut Jared Kushner loose over Russia ties, but were overruled
A small group of White House lawyers this summer urged that President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner step down from his White House role amid a broadening probe into whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Russians in the 2016 election, according to multiple people familiar with the discussion. [...]
The debate, first reported Monday night by the Wall Street Journal, took place before a July shake-up of the legal team. The idea to press Kushner to leave was ultimately rejected.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/...-were-overruled

Trolling for Trump: How Russia is trying to destroy our Democracy
Trump isn’t the end of Russia’s information war against America. They are just getting started.
https://warontherocks.com/2016/11/trolli...-our-democracy/

How Donald Trump Lied to Conceal His Moscow Business Partner
Perhaps this was his greatest deception of the 2016 campaign.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017...siness-partner/

Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2230

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Was an den Untersuchungen dran ist, wird sich erst noch herausstellen. Nach Abschluss dieser -und nicht vorher durch das Gejaule der Trumpisten.
Tip: Der National Security Advisor Flynn wurde nicht ohne Grund gefeuert. Und der Atty. Gen. Sessions musste sich nicht ohne Grund von den Untersuchungen recusen. Grundlagen dafuer sind keine VTs, sondern Luegen und Verheimlichungen.

Noch ein Tip: Ich bin kein Demokrat (Pareteiangehoeriger der Demokratischen Partei.). Ich bin Demokrat -als der Befuerworter des politischen Systemes Demokratie.
Insofern auch da das Ausgiessen von Wunschbewertungen und Gejaule an die falsche Addresse. :-))

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http://www.msn.com/de-de/nachrichten/wel...ID=ansmsnnews11

Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2235

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http://www.msn.com/de-de/nachrichten/welt/oberster-gerichtshof-genehmigt-trumps-einreisestopp-f%C3%BCr-fl%C3%BCchtlinge/ar-AArQLho?OCID=ansmsnnews11

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2234

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2230

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Was an den Untersuchungen dran ist, wird sich erst noch herausstellen. Nach Abschluss dieser -und nicht vorher durch das Gejaule der Trumpisten.
Tip: Der National Security Advisor Flynn wurde nicht ohne Grund gefeuert. Und der Atty. Gen. Sessions musste sich nicht ohne Grund von den Untersuchungen recusen. Grundlagen dafuer sind keine VTs, sondern Luegen und Verheimlichungen.

Noch ein Tip: Ich bin kein Demokrat (Pareteiangehoeriger der Demokratischen Partei.). Ich bin Demokrat -als der Befuerworter des politischen Systemes Demokratie.
Insofern auch da das Ausgiessen von Wunschbewertungen und Gejaule an die falsche Addresse. :-))

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Schaun mer mol. Apropos Sessions: Er sprach mit einem russischen Gesandten. Wenn das kein Landesverrat ist... Recusen ist übrigens kein deutsches Verb.

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2234

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Ansonsten - eine Nebelkerze: Du weißt, dass Parteien und auch Parteizugehörigkeit in den USA nicht dieselbe Rolle wie in Deutschland haben. Bei den Vorwahlen können dementsprechend alle wählen, die sich einer Partei zugehörig fühlen, ohne dass sie unbedingt Parteimitglied sind.

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2234

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Wann hast du zum letzten Mal für einen republikanischen Kandidaten gestimmt? Bei der Wahl Nixon gegen Humphrey?

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Exclusive: Paul Ryan Reportedly Says No Chance for Border Wall at Private Dinner
House Speaker Paul Ryan, at a private dinner earlier this year, said he thought only “one member” wanted to build a wall across the entire U.S.-Mexico border, Breitbart News has learned from multiple sources with direct knowledge of the comments, including former Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO).
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...private-dinner/

Breitbart und Tancredo. :-)))

Lohnt sich zu lesen. Fuer den, der nach vorne blickt.

RT, Sputnik and Russia’s New Theory of War
How the Kremlin built one of the most powerful information weapons
of the 21st century — and why it may be impossible to stop.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/magaz...ory-of-war.html

Purged Facebook Page Tied to the Kremlin Spread Anti-Immigrant Bile
The notice went out on Facebook last year, calling citizens of Twin Falls, Idaho, to an urgent meeting about the “huge upsurge of violence toward American citizens” by Muslim refugees who had settled there.

The inflammatory post, however, originated not in Idaho but in Russia. The meeting’s sponsor, an anti-immigrant page called “Secured Borders,” was one of hundreds of fake Facebook accounts created by a Russian company with Kremlin ties to spread vitriolic messages on divisive issues.

A report by the Russian media outlet RBC last March, however, identified the Secured Borders page as the work of the Internet Research Agency, a St. Petersburg firm that employs hundreds of so-called trolls to post material in support of Russian government policies. A Facebook official confirmed that Secured Borders was removed in the purge of Russian fakes.

The Secured Borders page, a search for archived images shows, spent months posing as an American activist group and spreading provocative messages on Facebook calling immigrants “scum” and “freeloaders,” linking refugees to crime and praising President Trump’s tough line on immigration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/12/us/po...k-election.html

Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2237

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2234

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2230

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Was an den Untersuchungen dran ist, wird sich erst noch herausstellen. Nach Abschluss dieser -und nicht vorher durch das Gejaule der Trumpisten.
Tip: Der National Security Advisor Flynn wurde nicht ohne Grund gefeuert. Und der Atty. Gen. Sessions musste sich nicht ohne Grund von den Untersuchungen recusen. Grundlagen dafuer sind keine VTs, sondern Luegen und Verheimlichungen.

Noch ein Tip: Ich bin kein Demokrat (Pareteiangehoeriger der Demokratischen Partei.). Ich bin Demokrat -als der Befuerworter des politischen Systemes Demokratie.
Insofern auch da das Ausgiessen von Wunschbewertungen und Gejaule an die falsche Addresse. :-))

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Schaun mer mol. Apropos Sessions: Er sprach mit einem russischen Gesandten. Wenn das kein Landesverrat ist... Recusen ist übrigens kein deutsches Verb.

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Yep. Mir fiel kein passendes Deutsches Wort dafuer ein. Da fehlt mir die Bildung. :-)
Vielleicht kann ja Leto da aushelfen, wenn es so wichtig ist.
Und Sessions hat gelogen. Unter Eid. Eigentlich gehoert dem der Prozess gemacht.

Tip: Yep ist auch kein Deutsches Wort.:-)

Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2234

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Ansonsten - eine Nebelkerze: Du weißt, dass Parteien und auch Parteizugehörigkeit in den USA nicht dieselbe Rolle wie in Deutschland haben. Bei den Vorwahlen können dementsprechend alle wählen, die sich einer Partei zugehörig fühlen, ohne dass sie unbedingt Parteimitglied sind.

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Was ja auch wieder nicht stimmt. Das ist von Staat zu Staat verschieden. Es gibt sogenannte "open primaries" und "closed primaries". Bei "closed primaries" Staaten muss der Waehler vorher seine Affiliation erklaren und die wird registriert.

Tip: open und closed primaries sind auch keine Deutschen Worte.
Noch 'n Tip: Fakten sind keine Nebelkerzen.

Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2234

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Wann hast du zum letzten Mal für einen republikanischen Kandidaten gestimmt? Bei der Wahl Nixon gegen Humphrey?

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Eisenhower. :-)

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600...jthKMuOtAg.jpeg

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2241

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2237

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2234

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2230

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Was an den Untersuchungen dran ist, wird sich erst noch herausstellen. Nach Abschluss dieser -und nicht vorher durch das Gejaule der Trumpisten.
Tip: Der National Security Advisor Flynn wurde nicht ohne Grund gefeuert. Und der Atty. Gen. Sessions musste sich nicht ohne Grund von den Untersuchungen recusen. Grundlagen dafuer sind keine VTs, sondern Luegen und Verheimlichungen.

Noch ein Tip: Ich bin kein Demokrat (Pareteiangehoeriger der Demokratischen Partei.). Ich bin Demokrat -als der Befuerworter des politischen Systemes Demokratie.
Insofern auch da das Ausgiessen von Wunschbewertungen und Gejaule an die falsche Addresse. :-))

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Schaun mer mol. Apropos Sessions: Er sprach mit einem russischen Gesandten. Wenn das kein Landesverrat ist... Recusen ist übrigens kein deutsches Verb.

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Yep. Mir fiel kein passendes Deutsches Wort dafuer ein. Da fehlt mir die Bildung. :-)
Vielleicht kann ja Leto da aushelfen, wenn es so wichtig ist.
Und Sessions hat gelogen. Unter Eid. Eigentlich gehoert dem der Prozess gemacht.

Tip: Yep ist auch kein Deutsches Wort.:-)

Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2234

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Ansonsten - eine Nebelkerze: Du weißt, dass Parteien und auch Parteizugehörigkeit in den USA nicht dieselbe Rolle wie in Deutschland haben. Bei den Vorwahlen können dementsprechend alle wählen, die sich einer Partei zugehörig fühlen, ohne dass sie unbedingt Parteimitglied sind.

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Was ja auch wieder nicht stimmt. Das ist von Staat zu Staat verschieden. Es gibt sogenannte "open primaries" und "closed primaries". Bei "closed primaries" Staaten muss der Waehler vorher seine Affiliation erklaren und die wird registriert.

Tip: open und closed primaries sind auch keine Deutschen Worte.
Noch 'n Tip: Fakten sind keine Nebelkerzen.

Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2234

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Wann hast du zum letzten Mal für einen republikanischen Kandidaten gestimmt? Bei der Wahl Nixon gegen Humphrey?

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Eisenhower. :-)

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600...jthKMuOtAg.jpeg

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Oder Taft. :-)

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2234

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Ansonsten weiß ich, was to recuse bedeutet und brauche auch keine Unterstützung von dir oder muss auch nicht Leto bemühen.

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2234

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Ich kenne auch den Unterschied zwischen "open" und "closed primaries", wollte aber den Gedanken nicht unnötig verkomplizieren.

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2241

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Es bleibt dabei: Dass Politiker sich mit ausländischen Diplomaten unterhalten, ist das Natürlichste der Welt.

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2241

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Ich vermute, man hat eine Hexenjagd auf den ungeliebten Justizminister veranstaltet. Das Verhalten von Trump in dieser Frage gereicht ihm allerdings nicht zur Ehre.

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House Rejects Sessions Order Giving Cops More Power To Take Innocent People’s Stuff
Lawmakers from across the political spectrum are pushing back against Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ support for civil asset forfeiture.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cong...kushpmg00000009

Russian Trolls Promoted Trump While Trashing Black Lives Matter On Twitter
When a Russian troll farm was fishing for Trump supporters on Twitter, it baited the hook by targeting minority activists and public figures.

TPM has reviewed tweets and images from a pro-Trump Twitter account run by the Russian troll farm that likely purchased $100,000 worth of political ads on Facebook. Among the account’s favorite targets during the 2016 campaign season were Michelle Obama, undocumented immigrants and antiracist activist movement Black Lives Matter.

The since-suspended account, @tpartynews, had about 22,000 followers and was run out of a St. Petersburg company called the Federal News Agency (FAN), according to the authors of a report on the agency that ran in March in a major Russian business magazine, RBC.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/r...twitter-account

The Trump administration's alternative Christianity
Evangelicals have never had it so good, politically speaking.

Since President Trump took office in January, the White House has become a Christian roundtable, with just about every top-tier seat filled by a faithful member of the fold or someone who is happy to further the fold’s agenda.
The lineup of believers who are in positions of power is truly dizzying. Betsy DeVos, who leads the Department of Education, has stated that her goal as a public servant is to “advance God’s kingdom.” Secretary of Energy Rick Perry employed mass prayer as a means of addressing social problems when he was governor of Texas. Ben Carson, secretary of Housing and Urban Development, believes that the theory of evolution was encouraged by the devil.
It doesn’t stop there. Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions has said that people who don’t believe in God can’t be truthful. Scott Pruitt, the Environmental Protection Agency chief, is a devout Baptist who denies that climate change is real. Mike Pompeo, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, is an evangelical who opposes abortion even in cases of rape. The president’s attorney, Jay Sekulow, another evangelical, has defended school prayer at the Supreme Court, and Trump’s spiritual advisor, Paula White, is a Pentecostal televangelist who teaches that if people give her church thousands of dollars, God will reward them with favors. Vice President Mike Pence might be the most piously anti-gay politician in America.

What’s really remarkable about this group, however, is not that so many ardent worshippers of Jesus are running the country, but how non-Christian this ostensibly Christian government is proving to be. The Trump administration’s Bible devotees are pushing an agenda that flies in the face of their own savior’s message. ....

... Many Americans shuddered when Kellyanne Conway used the phrase “alternative facts” to defend White House claims about the size of the crowd at Trump’s inauguration. But the administration’s alternative Christianity may prove just as detrimental as its loose grasp on truth. While these men and women profess love for Jesus, they create suffering and misery in his name.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-...0811-story.html

Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2245

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The Trump administration's alternative Christianity
Evangelicals have never had it so good, politically speaking.

Since President Trump took office in January, the White House has become a Christian roundtable, with just about every top-tier seat filled by a faithful member of the fold or someone who is happy to further the fold’s agenda.
The lineup of believers who are in positions of power is truly dizzying. Betsy DeVos, who leads the Department of Education, has stated that her goal as a public servant is to “advance God’s kingdom.” Secretary of Energy Rick Perry employed mass prayer as a means of addressing social problems when he was governor of Texas. Ben Carson, secretary of Housing and Urban Development, believes that the theory of evolution was encouraged by the devil.
It doesn’t stop there. Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions has said that people who don’t believe in God can’t be truthful. Scott Pruitt, the Environmental Protection Agency chief, is a devout Baptist who denies that climate change is real. Mike Pompeo, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, is an evangelical who opposes abortion even in cases of rape. The president’s attorney, Jay Sekulow, another evangelical, has defended school prayer at the Supreme Court, and Trump’s spiritual advisor, Paula White, is a Pentecostal televangelist who teaches that if people give her church thousands of dollars, God will reward them with favors. Vice President Mike Pence might be the most piously anti-gay politician in America.

What’s really remarkable about this group, however, is not that so many ardent worshippers of Jesus are running the country, but how non-Christian this ostensibly Christian government is proving to be. The Trump administration’s Bible devotees are pushing an agenda that flies in the face of their own savior’s message. ....

... Many Americans shuddered when Kellyanne Conway used the phrase “alternative facts” to defend White House claims about the size of the crowd at Trump’s inauguration. But the administration’s alternative Christianity may prove just as detrimental as its loose grasp on truth. While these men and women profess love for Jesus, they create suffering and misery in his name.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-...0811-story.html

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2246

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2245

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The Trump administration's alternative Christianity
Evangelicals have never had it so good, politically speaking.

Since President Trump took office in January, the White House has become a Christian roundtable, with just about every top-tier seat filled by a faithful member of the fold or someone who is happy to further the fold’s agenda.
The lineup of believers who are in positions of power is truly dizzying. Betsy DeVos, who leads the Department of Education, has stated that her goal as a public servant is to “advance God’s kingdom.” Secretary of Energy Rick Perry employed mass prayer as a means of addressing social problems when he was governor of Texas. Ben Carson, secretary of Housing and Urban Development, believes that the theory of evolution was encouraged by the devil.
It doesn’t stop there. Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions has said that people who don’t believe in God can’t be truthful. Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions has said that people who don’t believe in God can’t be truthful. Mike Pompeo, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, is an evangelical who opposes abortion even in cases of rape. The president’s attorney, Jay Sekulow, another evangelical, has defended school prayer at the Supreme Court, and Trump’s spiritual advisor, Paula White, is a Pentecostal televangelist who teaches that if people give her church thousands of dollars, God will reward them with favors. Vice President Mike Pence might be the most piously anti-gay politician in America.

What’s really remarkable about this group, however, is not that so many ardent worshippers of Jesus are running the country, but how non-Christian this ostensibly Christian government is proving to be. The Trump administration’s Bible devotees are pushing an agenda that flies in the face of their own savior’s message. ....

... Many Americans shuddered when Kellyanne Conway used the phrase “alternative facts” to defend White House claims about the size of the crowd at Trump’s inauguration. But the administration’s alternative Christianity may prove just as detrimental as its loose grasp on truth. While these men and women profess love for Jesus, they create suffering and misery in his name.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-...0811-story.html

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Schrecklich, ein Christ, der den Klimawandel verneint; ein anderer, der gegen Abtreibung ist, und einer, der Gebete in der Schule verteidigt. Das geht gar nicht.

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Betsy DeVos, who leads the Department of Education, has stated that her goal as a public servant is to “advance God’s kingdom.”

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Disqualifier for office due to negligence and unchristian.:

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Secretary of Energy Rick Perry employed mass prayer as a means of addressing social problems when he was governor of Texas.

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Disqualifier for office, unchristian and liar:

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Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions has said that people who don’t believe in God can’t be truthful.

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Disqualifier for office -due to separation of church and state:

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The president’s attorney, Jay Sekulow, another evangelical, has defended school prayer at the Supreme Court,

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Unchristian and liar.

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and Trump’s spiritual advisor, Paula White, is a Pentecostal televangelist who teaches that if people give her church thousands of dollars, God will reward them with favors.

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Unchristian fanatic and liar. Separation of church and state issues.

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Vice President Mike Pence might be the most piously anti-gay politician in America.

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Unchristian:

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What’s really remarkable about this group, however, is not that so many ardent worshippers of Jesus are running the country, but how non-Christian this ostensibly Christian government is proving to be. The Trump administration’s Bible devotees are pushing an agenda that flies in the face of their own savior’s message. ....

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Unchristian:

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... Many Americans shuddered when Kellyanne Conway used the phrase “alternative facts” to defend White House claims about the size of the crowd at Trump’s inauguration. But the administration’s alternative Christianity may prove just as detrimental as its loose grasp on truth. While these men and women profess love for Jesus, they create suffering and misery in his name.

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2247

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2246

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2245

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The Trump administration's alternative Christianity
Evangelicals have never had it so good, politically speaking.

Since President Trump took office in January, the White House has become a Christian roundtable, with just about every top-tier seat filled by a faithful member of the fold or someone who is happy to further the fold’s agenda.
The lineup of believers who are in positions of power is truly dizzying. Betsy DeVos, who leads the Department of Education, has stated that her goal as a public servant is to “advance God’s kingdom.” Secretary of Energy Rick Perry employed mass prayer as a means of addressing social problems when he was governor of Texas. Ben Carson, secretary of Housing and Urban Development, believes that the theory of evolution was encouraged by the devil.
It doesn’t stop there. Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions has said that people who don’t believe in God can’t be truthful. Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions has said that people who don’t believe in God can’t be truthful. Mike Pompeo, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, is an evangelical who opposes abortion even in cases of rape. The president’s attorney, Jay Sekulow, another evangelical, has defended school prayer at the Supreme Court, and Trump’s spiritual advisor, Paula White, is a Pentecostal televangelist who teaches that if people give her church thousands of dollars, God will reward them with favors. Vice President Mike Pence might be the most piously anti-gay politician in America.

What’s really remarkable about this group, however, is not that so many ardent worshippers of Jesus are running the country, but how non-Christian this ostensibly Christian government is proving to be. The Trump administration’s Bible devotees are pushing an agenda that flies in the face of their own savior’s message. ....

... Many Americans shuddered when Kellyanne Conway used the phrase “alternative facts” to defend White House claims about the size of the crowd at Trump’s inauguration. But the administration’s alternative Christianity may prove just as detrimental as its loose grasp on truth. While these men and women profess love for Jesus, they create suffering and misery in his name.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-...0811-story.html

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Schrecklich, ein Christ, der den Klimawandel verneint; ein anderer, der gegen Abtreibung ist, und einer, der Gebete in der Schule verteidigt. Das geht gar nicht.

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Betsy DeVos, who leads the Department of Education, has stated that her goal as a public servant is to “advance God’s kingdom.”

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Disqualifier for office due to negligence and unchristian.:

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Secretary of Energy Rick Perry employed mass prayer as a means of addressing social problems when he was governor of Texas.

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Disqualifier for office, unchristian and liar:

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Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions has said that people who don’t believe in God can’t be truthful.

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Disqualifier for office -due to separation of church and state:

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The president’s attorney, Jay Sekulow, another evangelical, has defended school prayer at the Supreme Court,

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Unchristian and liar.

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and Trump’s spiritual advisor, Paula White, is a Pentecostal televangelist who teaches that if people give her church thousands of dollars, God will reward them with favors.

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Unchristian fanatic and liar. Separation of church and state issues.

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Vice President Mike Pence might be the most piously anti-gay politician in America.

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Unchristian:

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What’s really remarkable about this group, however, is not that so many ardent worshippers of Jesus are running the country, but how non-Christian this ostensibly Christian government is proving to be. The Trump administration’s Bible devotees are pushing an agenda that flies in the face of their own savior’s message. ....

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Unchristian:

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... Many Americans shuddered when Kellyanne Conway used the phrase “alternative facts” to defend White House claims about the size of the crowd at Trump’s inauguration. But the administration’s alternative Christianity may prove just as detrimental as its loose grasp on truth. While these men and women profess love for Jesus, they create suffering and misery in his name.

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Ich teile vieles nicht, was die Betreffenden sagen, etwa die Aussage Carsons zur Evolutionstheorie, mit der ich keine Probleme habe. Aber ich bin zurückhaltend, wenn es darum geht, Andersdenkenden das Christsein abzusprechen. Das hat für mich den Geruch eines progressiven "Anathema sit".

Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2248

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2247

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The Trump administration's alternative Christianity
Evangelicals have never had it so good, politically speaking.

Since President Trump took office in January, the White House has become a Christian roundtable, with just about every top-tier seat filled by a faithful member of the fold or someone who is happy to further the fold’s agenda.
The lineup of believers who are in positions of power is truly dizzying. Betsy DeVos, who leads the Department of Education, has stated that her goal as a public servant is to “advance God’s kingdom.” Secretary of Energy Rick Perry employed mass prayer as a means of addressing social problems when he was governor of Texas. Ben Carson, secretary of Housing and Urban Development, believes that the theory of evolution was encouraged by the devil.
It doesn’t stop there. Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions has said that people who don’t believe in God can’t be truthful. Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions has said that people who don’t believe in God can’t be truthful. Mike Pompeo, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, is an evangelical who opposes abortion even in cases of rape. The president’s attorney, Jay Sekulow, another evangelical, has defended school prayer at the Supreme Court, and Trump’s spiritual advisor, Paula White, is a Pentecostal televangelist who teaches that if people give her church thousands of dollars, God will reward them with favors. Vice President Mike Pence might be the most piously anti-gay politician in America.

What’s really remarkable about this group, however, is not that so many ardent worshippers of Jesus are running the country, but how non-Christian this ostensibly Christian government is proving to be. The Trump administration’s Bible devotees are pushing an agenda that flies in the face of their own savior’s message. ....

... Many Americans shuddered when Kellyanne Conway used the phrase “alternative facts” to defend White House claims about the size of the crowd at Trump’s inauguration. But the administration’s alternative Christianity may prove just as detrimental as its loose grasp on truth. While these men and women profess love for Jesus, they create suffering and misery in his name.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-...0811-story.html

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Schrecklich, ein Christ, der den Klimawandel verneint; ein anderer, der gegen Abtreibung ist, und einer, der Gebete in der Schule verteidigt. Das geht gar nicht.

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Disqualifier for office -separation of church and state:

Zitat

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Betsy DeVos, who leads the Department of Education, has stated that her goal as a public servant is to “advance God’s kingdom.”

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Disqualifier for office due to negligence and unchristian.:

Zitat

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Secretary of Energy Rick Perry employed mass prayer as a means of addressing social problems when he was governor of Texas.

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Disqualifier for office, unchristian and liar:

Zitat

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Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions has said that people who don’t believe in God can’t be truthful.

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Disqualifier for office -due to separation of church and state:

Zitat

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The president’s attorney, Jay Sekulow, another evangelical, has defended school prayer at the Supreme Court,

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Unchristian and liar.

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and Trump’s spiritual advisor, Paula White, is a Pentecostal televangelist who teaches that if people give her church thousands of dollars, God will reward them with favors.

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Unchristian fanatic and liar. Separation of church and state issues.

Zitat

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Vice President Mike Pence might be the most piously anti-gay politician in America.

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Unchristian:

Zitat

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What’s really remarkable about this group, however, is not that so many ardent worshippers of Jesus are running the country, but how non-Christian this ostensibly Christian government is proving to be. The Trump administration’s Bible devotees are pushing an agenda that flies in the face of their own savior’s message. ....

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Unchristian:

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... Many Americans shuddered when Kellyanne Conway used the phrase “alternative facts” to defend White House claims about the size of the crowd at Trump’s inauguration. But the administration’s alternative Christianity may prove just as detrimental as its loose grasp on truth. While these men and women profess love for Jesus, they create suffering and misery in his name.

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Ich teile vieles nicht, was die Betreffenden sagen, etwa die Aussage Carsons zur Evolutionstheorie, mit der ich keine Probleme habe. Aber ich bin zurückhaltend, wenn es darum geht, Andersdenkenden das Christsein abzusprechen. Das hat für mich den Geruch eines progressiven "Anathema sit".

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Das tut die Katholische Kirche. Und verschiedene Organisationen, denen vorstehende oben angehoeren. Jene, die ueber die letzten 8 Jahre nicht muede wurden, Obama sein Christ sein abzusprechen.
Progressive sind ganz anders fokussiert. In Progressivitaet steckt immer auch Flexibilitaet und Offenheit, neues zu lernen und zu akzeptieren. Progressive sind nicht untolerant, starrkoepfig, lernunwillig, engstirnig und auch nicht religioes fanatisch. Ergo auch weniger judgmental. In all diesen Dingen unterscheiden sie sich von Konservativen elementar.

"Christlich sein" und "Christ sein" sind zwei verschiedene Dinge. Unchristlichkeit wird durch handeln im Widerspurch zur Lehre Jesu definiert.
Das Christ sein findet immer seinen Ausdruck im Handeln eines jeden. Daran sollen wir sie erkennen.

Der Richter ueber die Menschen ist nach der christlichen Glaubenlehre alleine Jesus Christus. Nicht die katholische Kirche und auch nicht die Evangelikalen, die Baptisten, irgendwelche Televangelisten und wer sonst auch immer.
Aber christliches- bezw. unchristliches Handeln ist fuer jeden zu erkennen. Ich kann mit Leichtigkeit zu jedem der Leute da oben ausfuehrliches aufzeigen. Ohne dass ich ueber deren Errettung aus der Suendhaftigkeit eine Urteil faelle. Steht mir ja auch nicht zu.
Aber ich kann ein Urteil hinischtlich deren Befaehigung zum Civil Servant job, den sie angenommen haben, faellen.

Ich weiss, was Luege ist. Ich weiss, dass "alternative Fakten" nichts anderes als Luegen sind. Ich kenne die 10 Gebote. Und ich weiss, was "Liebe deinen Naechsten, wie dich selbst" repraesentiert. Und auch was Nachfolge bedeutet.

Lee Relative Who Denounced White Supremacy Resigns As Pastor Of N.C. Church
A descendant of a nephew of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee announced yesterday that he had resigned as pastor of his church in Winston-Salem, N.C. Robert Wright Lee IV, who came to national attention denouncing his relative's legacy on NPR and elsewhere, said he made the decision after Bethany United Church of Christ moved to vote on his tenure there.
"We are all called by God to speak out against hate and evil in all its many forms," he wrote in a blog post. "There are so many good things going on with this congregation and I do not want my fight to detract from the mission. If the recent media attention causes concern with my church, I reluctantly offer my resignation."

A week after violence rocked Charlottesville, Va., Lee spoke to NPR's Weekend Edition about his famous uncle, many generations removed. He said he thought the statues of Lee should be removed.
"I do think they need to come down," Lee said. "I think it's time that we have a conversation about how to remember our past without commemorating our past."

He said his objections to his uncle's legacy were rooted in his Christian beliefs.
"[T]his is a form of idolatry, very plain and simply," he said. "We have made an idol of Robert Edward Lee. We have made him an idol of white supremacy. We have made him an idol of nationalism and of bigotry and of hate and of racism. And that's unacceptable. And not only as a person of goodwill but ... as a Christian, I can no longer sit by and allow my family's name to be used as hate-filled speech." ...

..."A faction of church members were concerned about my speech and that I lifted up Black Lives Matter movement, the Women's March, and Heather Heyer as examples of racial justice work," he wrote. "I want to stress that there were many in the congregation who supported my right to free speech, yet were uncomfortable with the attention the church was receiving. The church's reaction was deeply hurtful to me."
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2...r-of-n-c-church