Zitat von Indo_HS im Beitrag #3158

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Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #3147

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Trump was asked the most basic question about his Iran deal decision. He had no answer.
He had nothing.

After publicly signing a memorandum to violate the Iran nuclear deal by reinstating the “highest levels” of U.S. sanctions against the country, President Trump was asked a very basic question by a reporter who was in attendance at the White House for the ceremony.

“Mr. President, how does this America safer?” she said. “How does this make American safer?”

Trump gathered his thoughts for a moment, then just restated the question in the form of an assertion.
“This will make America much safer,” he said, before getting up for the table on which he signed the memorandum.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-iran-nuc...r-918b75b12305/

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:-))

Er ist, war und bleibt eben ein Volltrottel, der von praktisch nichts eine Ahnung hat. Ich wette, er könnte noch nicht einmal sagen, wo Iran auf der Weltkarte genau liegt.

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Zitat von nahal im Beitrag #3163

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Zitat von Corto im Beitrag #3162

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Sehe ich anders. Europa, insbesondere D hat auch starke kulturelle Bindungen zum Iran (Kultur- und Studienaustausch, Städtepartnerschaften etc.).

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Klar.
Deswegen war der erste Besuch nch dem Iran Deal eine Delegation des Ohnsorg-Theaters.....
Ach, sorry, es waren 55 deutsche Wirtschaftsbosse.

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #3165

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Zitat von nahal im Beitrag #3161

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Zitat von Corto im Beitrag #3159

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Europa hat massive Wirtschaftsinteressen im Iran, die USA nicht. Obama liess sich trotzden auf den Atomdeal ein. Trump scheisst darauf, America first gilt eben auch gegenüber old Europe.

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Die EU hat NUR Wirtschaftsinteressen. Alles andere ist hier scheißegal.
Die Heuchelei stinkt zum Himmel.

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Trump geht es natürlich um Weltfrieden und Menschenrechte...

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #3176

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Hoffentlich bombardiert er nicht aus Versehen Australien. :-)

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Zitat von nahal im Beitrag #3172

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #3170

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Zitat von nahal im Beitrag #3168

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #3165

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Zitat von nahal im Beitrag #3161

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Zitat von Corto im Beitrag #3159

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Europa hat massive Wirtschaftsinteressen im Iran, die USA nicht. Obama liess sich trotzden auf den Atomdeal ein. Trump scheisst darauf, America first gilt eben auch gegenüber old Europe.

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Die EU hat NUR Wirtschaftsinteressen. Alles andere ist hier scheißegal.
Die Heuchelei stinkt zum Himmel.

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Trump geht es natürlich um Weltfrieden und Menschenrechte...

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Nein,politische Interessen.

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Weltfrieden und Menschenrechte wären tatsächlich auch politische Interessen.

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Bitte lesen, was Churchill Chamberlain nach München sagte:

“You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.'

Könnte hier auf Obama et Co passen.

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Zitat von Nante im Beitrag #3175

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Zitat von nahal im Beitrag #3173

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Und wo weilt der böse Bibi?

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Ich habe mir die Übertragung aus Moskau angesehen. War bass erstaunt, Bibi nicht weit weg von Exgenossen Putin sitzen zu sehen. Danach gab es eine ulkige Szene: Als Putin nach der Gratulationskur mit den Verwantwortlichen der Paradeeinheiten wieder zurückging, wurde ein Veteran in Paradeuniform, erkennbar ein General, rüde von einem Begleiter weggeschubst und an den Rand gedrängt. Kurz darauf ging Putin zu ihm hin und sie schritten Seit an Seit weiter, mit Netanjahu direkt dahinter. Da hat wohl jemand übereilt gehandelt.

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Zitat von Nante im Beitrag #3179

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Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #3176

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Hoffentlich bombardiert er nicht aus Versehen Australien. :-)

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Merkel hat ihm doch leichtsinnigerweise vor kurzem eine Karte von Rheinland-Pfalz geschenkt....

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Um den Bogen zum Iran wieder zu finden: Netanjahu (welches ist denn eigentlich die korrekte Schreibweise?) hatte Gelegenheit, sich die S-400 direkt anzusehen. Er hatte Gelegenheit, das leidige Thema der iranischen Luftabwehr anzusprechen. Da hätte ich gerne die Standpunkte erfahren.....

Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #3180

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Zitat von nahal im Beitrag #3172

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #3170

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Zitat von nahal im Beitrag #3168

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Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #3165

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Zitat von nahal im Beitrag #3161

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Zitat von Corto im Beitrag #3159

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Europa hat massive Wirtschaftsinteressen im Iran, die USA nicht. Obama liess sich trotzden auf den Atomdeal ein. Trump scheisst darauf, America first gilt eben auch gegenüber old Europe.

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Die EU hat NUR Wirtschaftsinteressen. Alles andere ist hier scheißegal.
Die Heuchelei stinkt zum Himmel.

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Trump geht es natürlich um Weltfrieden und Menschenrechte...

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Nein,politische Interessen.

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Weltfrieden und Menschenrechte wären tatsächlich auch politische Interessen.

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Bitte lesen, was Churchill Chamberlain nach München sagte:

“You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.'

Könnte hier auf Obama et Co passen.

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Nein, nahal, das hat er nie gesagt. Er hat allerdings aus der Bibel zitiert, nämlich das Menetekel, das Belsazar auf der Wand las: “Thou art weighed in the balance and found wanting.” Das gilt allerdings für viele, für die Mays, die Merkels, die Macrons und möglicherweise auch für die Trumps.
https://winstonchurchill.org/resources/s...nich-agreement/

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Zitat von Nante im Beitrag #3184

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Um den Bogen zum Iran wieder zu finden: Netanjahu (welches ist denn eigentlich die korrekte Schreibweise?) hatte Gelegenheit, sich die S-400 direkt anzusehen. Er hatte Gelegenheit, das leidige Thema der iranischen Luftabwehr anzusprechen. Da hätte ich gerne die Standpunkte erfahren.....

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Zitat von nahal im Beitrag #3185

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Britain and France had to choose between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war.
To Neville Chamberlain in the House of Commons, after the Munich accords (1938).

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Zitat von ghassan im Beitrag #3187

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Zitat von nahal im Beitrag #3185

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Britain and France had to choose between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war.
To Neville Chamberlain in the House of Commons, after the Munich accords (1938).

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Vergleichen Sie wirklich die Gefahr von Hitlers Wehrmacht 1938 für die Welt mit der heutigen des Irans?

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Zitat von ghassan im Beitrag #3187

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Zitat von nahal im Beitrag #3185

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Britain and France had to choose between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war.
To Neville Chamberlain in the House of Commons, after the Munich accords (1938).

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Vergleichen Sie wirklich die Gefahr von Hitlers Wehrmacht 1938 für die Welt mit der heutigen des Irans?

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Zitat von sayada.b. im Beitrag #3167

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@ Corto:

Okay, aber dann tun wir doch auch nicht so, als wäre Trump der ehrliche Heilsbringer...

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Zitat von ghassan im Beitrag #3171

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Zitat von Corto im Beitrag #3164

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Nun, vielleicht sollte der neue deutsche Stardiplomat ....

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Habe sofort auf "gefällt mir" klicken wollen ... aber dann fiel mir ein, dass Genscher tot ist..
Und jetzt merke ich, dass ich alt bin .... gefällt mir nicht

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Reagan's ehemaliger Gun-runnner von Iran-Contra Tagen in seiner neuen Position als NRA President und alter Fox News contributor:

New NRA President Oliver North Suggests All Iranians Are Liars
“Never believe an Iranian,” said North, who in the 1980s played a central role in the Iran-Contra scandal. “Because if their lips are moving, they’re lying.”

The National Rifle Association’s new president, Oliver North — a man who, during the Reagan administration, played a central role in the Iran-Contra scandal and admitted he lied to Congress — has appeared on Fox News two times in as many days to accuse Iran of being a nation of deceivers.

North, who was announced as the NRA’s president on Monday, has a controversial history with Iran.

While serving on the National Security Council during the Reagan administration, North played a key role in spearheading the clandestine sale of weapons to Iran in a bid to secure the release of U.S. hostages held in Lebanon and then using the proceeds from the weapon sales to fund the anti-revolutionary Contra rebels in Nicaragua ― even though Congress had banned such support.

North was later found guilty of lying to Congress about the affair, shredding government documents and receiving an illegal gratuity. His convictions were overturned on appeal in 1991.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oli...4b0859d11d0338d

Alles grosse Ehrenmaenner. :-))

Trump Vindicates Iranian Hardliners And Victimizes Ordinary Citizens
When the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action was announced in 2015, the Iranian people poured into the streets to celebrate what they thought was the beginning of a new era.

Long squeezed by both U.S. pressure and their own government, they had just cause for optimism. The threat of war was receding, and the sanctions that had stifled Iran’s economy were soon to be lifted. Many hoped that Iranian President Hassan Rouhani ― vindicated by his success at the negotiating table ― would leverage his political capital and ease Iran’s harsh security environment at home.

Today, as U.S. President Donald Trump tears up the agreement, the Iranian people are once again those who will suffer most. Iranian hardliners, empowered by the deal’s failure, are sharpening their knives for Rouhani and Foreign Minister Javad Zarif, and the chances of catastrophic war are undoubtedly greater.

Iran did everything it needed to to comply with the accord’s terms, destroying the core of its reactor at Arak, empowering International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors and dramatically limiting its uranium enrichment program. Sanctions were initially lifted under President Barack Obama, and Iran saw some limited relief. But that long-overdue optimism was quickly halted by the election of Trump, who vowed to terminate the agreement struck under his predecessor. Iran’s hopes for a brighter future had been turned over to a reality TV star turned demagogue.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opi...4b0a0d601e78d40

Die Schlussfolgerung fuer die Iraner -aber auch fuer die Welt:

The hardline narrative — that the United States cannot be trusted and will never lift the sanctions — has been vindicated by Trump’s shortsighted and self-serving decision.

Jegliche notion der USA als ein "honest broker" - is now "puff" gone up in smoke. Daraus kann nichts gutes kommen.
Und die anderen Gangster in der Welt werden das zu schaetzen wissen. Insbesondere der kleine Dicke in Norkorea und die Leutchen in Peking.

Zitat von Corto im Beitrag #3191

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Heute spielen wir aussenpolitisch in der Oberliga.

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Sudden Departure Of White House Global Health Security Head Has Experts Worried
Rear Adm. Tim Ziemer is among the departures since John Bolton became head of the National Security Council.

Rear Adm. Tim Ziemer, the head of global health security on the White House’s National Security Council, left the Trump administration on Tuesday. The news was announced one day after an Ebola outbreak was declared in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

The departure comes amid a reshuffling of the NSC under newly named national security adviser John Bolton, which includes a change in organizational structure that eliminates the office Ziemer led. Ziemer’s staff has been placed under other NSC departments.
Ziemer, who had been described as “one of the most quietly effective leaders in public health,” was widely lauded in the global health community for his work on the President’s Malaria Initiative, which helped save 6 million lives, before joining this administration.
“Admiral Ziemer’s departure is deeply alarming, especially when the administration is actively working to cut funds that addressed past pandemics like Ebola,” Rep. Ami Bera (D-Calif.), the vice ranking member of the foreign affairs committee, told HuffPost in a statement. “Expertise like his is critical in avoiding large outbreaks.”

Ziemer’s exit follows the departure last month of White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, who was another champion of investment in global health security. Bossert left the day after Bolton began as national security adviser.
Ron Klain, the former Ebola “czar” under President Barack Obama, told HuffPost the combination of their departures was a blow to global health security.
“Proposing a rescission of Ebola contingency funds on the very day that a new Ebola outbreak is announced is badly misguided; forcing out the two top officials in charge of epidemic response at the White House – Tom Bossert and Tim Ziemer – is even worse,” Klain said. “Doing it all at the same time shows a reckless disregard for the dangers we face.”

Some global health security experts also aren’t so sure about whether the reorganization will maintain global health security and biothreats ― such as potential pandemics like Ebola ― as a priority.
“We have no idea at this point who at the White House is in charge of global health security, at a time when infectious diseases can spread like wildfire in a matter of days threatening millions of Americans here and abroad,” Rieser said.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tim...4b0859d11d02290

Adviser for pro-Trump group caught saying Nazis should have done more
An adviser for the pro-Trump group America First Policies was caught on camera saying, 'The only thing the Nazis didn’t get right is they didn’t keep f*cking going!'

The footage of the longtime Trump supporter was recorded in December 2017 during a conference held by the right-wing group Turning Point USA.

More than a thousand young conservatives attended the conference in West Palm Beach, Florida, according to Mediaite. The event featured speeches from pro-Trump figures including Donald Trump Jr., Seb Gorka, Tomi Lahren, Ben Shapiro, and Scott Walker.
https://shareblue.com/america-first-poli...-nazi-comments/

Eine Meinung aus Deutschland:

Trump gegen Europa
Der Westen existiert nicht mehr
Donald Trumps Iran-Entscheidung zerstört das transatlantische Bündnis. Europa muss sich wehren. Ein Kommentar.

Der Ruhm Donald Trumps gründet auf amerikanischen Heldengeschichten. Trump erzählt, dass ihn Frauen wie Carla Bruni begehrt hätten, was Frauen wie Carla Bruni wuchtig dementieren. Trump vermeldet unermesslichen Reichtum, doch wahr ist, dass Trump sich mit seinen Casinos derart ruiniert hatte, dass er 1990 netto 295 Millionen Dollar Schulden hatte; Banken und Papa retteten ihn.
Die größte Heldengeschichte handelt von Trumps Verhandlungsgeschick, doch auch diese Erzählung ist Quatsch, da Trump die Kunst des Deals niemals beherrschte. Er bezahlte als Geschäftsmann viel zu viel Geld für miese Immobilien und hat als Politiker keine Geduld.

Er will nichts wissen. Er ist nicht vorbereitet, kann weder mit (langfristiger) Strategie noch mit (flexibler) Taktik etwas anfangen. Trump kann nur zerstören, und nur das tut er.
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegel-le...-a-1207308.html

Hier derselbe Artikel in English -dafuer aber in Gaenze.
Time for Europe to Join the Resistance
U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal marks the temporary suspension of the trans-Atlantic alliance. What now?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/worl...-a-1207260.html

Europe Stuck Between a Bomb and a Hard Place
With U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to violate the Iran nuclear agreement, Europe finds itself facing an almost unsolvable diplomatic challenge: It must save the Iran deal while avoiding open confrontation with Washington.

.. .Europe is facing the potential loss of what has been the most important, most reliable and most beneficial constant of European foreign policy for decades: the partnership with the U.S. and the trans-Atlantic relationship.

When France and Germany elected not to follow U.S. President George W. Bush into Iraq in 2003, the dissent came within the framework of an intact partnership. It was a serious disagreement, to be sure, but it didn't threaten the foundation of the relationship.
This time, it is different. This conflict has the potential to escalate into a real confrontation between Europe and the United States. In a worst-case scenario, Trump could force Europe to make a choice between the U.S. and Iran. If you're not with us, you are against us.

... Europe cannot allow itself to be used by Trump to isolate Iran. On the contrary, Europe must make it clear to Washington that the U.S. is isolating itself on this issue. There is a global community that wants this agreement - and there is an American president who is, with support from Israel and Saudi Arabia, seeking to torpedo it.

It is in the vital interests of Germany and Europe that Iran continues to adhere to the treaty. If it doesn't, the consequences could be dramatic: It is likely that not just Iran would seek to arm itself with nuclear weapons, but also other powers in the region like Saudi Arabia or Egypt. It would mark the de facto end of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The entire system established to control the spread of nuclear weapons would be in danger. ...

It still isn't clear how far the U.S. will go to force Europe into an anti-Iran alliance. Trump could exert economic pressure, of course, but he could also take a further step into security policy. He could threaten to weaken NATO solidarity if Europe doesn't join forces against Iran. That would be a catastrophe.

Still, the Europeans need to be clear on one thing: Trump has never been impressed by docility. Europe will now need to muster all of its diplomatic skill and lean on its international alliances. More than anything, though, Europe needs a strong conviction to reject anything that harms its own interests and endangers world peace.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/worl...-a-1206997.html

Mein altes Bataillon wurde noch nicht wieder aufgestellt. Noch nicht. Jedoch, ich sehe den Tag immer naeher kommen. Und das leider nicht aus einem beruhigenderen Anlass.

Trumps Steuerreform trifft fast 5000 deutsche Firmen
Die Bundesregierung ist wegen der Steuerreform von Donald Trump alarmiert. Nach SPIEGEL-Informationen erwartet das Finanzministerium, dass deutsche Firmen mit US-Ablegern ihre Geschäfte bald verstärkt in das Land verlagern.
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unterne...-a-1207291.html

The public case against Trump
One thing is true of all major political scandals: What we know in the moment is but a tiny, obscured, partial view of the full story later revealed by investigators.

Why it matters: That’s what makes the Trump-Russia drama all the more remarkable. Forget all we don’t know. The known facts that even Trump’s closest friends don’t deny tell a damning tale that would sink most leaders.

Here's a guide that Jim VandeHei and I put together to the known knowns of Russia:

We know Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chair, has been indicted on 32 counts, including conspiracy and money laundering. We know he made millions off shady Russians and changed the Republican platform to the benefit of Russia.

We know that the U.S. intelligence community concluded, in a report released in January 2017, that Russian President Vladimir Putin “ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election,” to “denigrate” Hillary Clinton and with “a clear preference for ... Trump.”

We know that in May 2016, Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat Russia had political dirt on Hillary. "About three weeks earlier," according to the N.Y. Times, "Papadopoulos had been told that Moscow had thousands of emails that would embarrass Mrs. Clinton."

We know that in June 2016, Trump’s closest aides and family members met at Trump Tower with a shady group of Russians who claimed to have dirt on Hillary. The meeting was billed as "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."

We know the Russian lawyer who helped set it up concealed her close ties to Putin government.

We know that in July 2016, Trump said: "“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 [Hillary] emails that are missing,” and urged their publication.

We know that on Air Force One a year later, Trump helped his son, Don Jr., prepare a misleading statement about the meeting. We know top aides freaked out about this.

We know Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting.

We know Michael Flynn, former national security adviser and close campaign aide, lied to Vice President Pence and FBI about his Russia-related chats. We know he’s now cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller. We know Trump initially tried to protect Flynn with loyalty and fervency rarely shown by Trump to others.

We know that during the transition, Jared Kushner spoke with the Russian ambassador "about establishing a secret communications channel between the Trump transition team and Moscow." We know Kushner omitted previous contacts with Russians on his disclosure forms.

We know Trump initially lied about why he fired James Comey, later admitting he was canned because of the “Russia thing.”

We know Michael Cohen was a close adviser and lawyer, the fixer and secret-keeper. We know Trump seethed when the FBI raided Cohen's office.

We know that in January 2016, just before Republicans began voting, Michael Cohen tried to restart a Trump Tower project in Moscow.

We know Mueller questioned a Russian oligarch who made payments to Cohen who used the money to pay off a porn star who allegedly had an affair with Trump.

We know that oligarch was a bad enough dude that the Trump administration sanctioned him.

Be smart: The undisputed known knowns about Trump, Russia and his associates are damning and possibly actionable. But the known unknowns of how much more Robert Mueller knows that is publicly unknown is what spooks Trump allies most.

Remember: No one in the media saw Mueller’s indictments of Russian oligarchs coming until the second they were announced, and no one knew until this week that Mueller’s team questioned AT&T five months ago about its payments to Cohen.

Mueller has every incentive to keep the public and Trump himself in suspense.

https://www.axios.com/trump-russia-muell...ff562058f0.html