#2301

RE: Brexit

in Politik 25.05.2019 08:25
von Maga-neu | 35.163 Beiträge

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/b...-a-1269065.html

Haha, der nächste Klagehansel, und das Relotius-Schmierenblatt tut so, als handele es sich um einen Riesenskandal, der Johnsons politisches Ende bewirkt. (Das Flipflopping zum Brexit-Vertrag dürfte ihm mehr geschadet haben.)

Wenn ich Hans verklage, weil ich mich von ihm gedisst fühle (tue ich natürlich nicht - weder das eine noch das andere), muss auch das von den Gerichten erst einmal aufgegriffen werden. Herauskommen wird gar nichts, erst recht keine Verurteilung. (Man sollte überlegen, solche Klagehansel finanziell stärker in die Pflicht zu nehmen.)



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#2302

RE: Brexit

in Politik 25.05.2019 18:07
von Willie (gelöscht)
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Has Boris Johnson destroyed his premiership before it has even begun?
He will find himself on the same treadmill of unrealistic promises as Theresa May. He will try and fail to renegotiate the deal. The DUP will remain opposed. The Tory party will become increasingly wedded to an outcome that cannot be delivered

Boris Johnson began his leadership campaign by making a promise he cannot deliver. “We will leave the EU on 31 October, deal or no deal,” he said yesterday. He had to say it, because no candidate can expect to win the leadership election without such a pledge.

But I do not believe it is possible for any prime minister to take the UK out of the EU without a deal at the end of October. Johnson would be removed from office before he could do so. This may sound extreme, but it is a question of numbers.
The Conservatives with the DUP have a majority in the House of Commons of five, assuming Peterborough stays in opposition hands after the by-election the week after next. There are three Labour or former Labour MPs who support a no-deal exit: Kate Hoey, Kelvin Hopkins and Graham Stringer.
That means it would take only six Conservative MPs ​to deprive Johnson of his majority. There are many more than six Tory MPs who think a no-deal exit would be so damaging they are prepared to put country before party.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bor...t-a8930166.html


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#2303

RE: Brexit

in Politik 25.05.2019 20:34
von Maga-neu | 35.163 Beiträge

Elmar Brok, so in etwa der schmierige Bruder von Horst Schlämmer (ich frage mich, wie viele Stimmen Schlämmer bekäme, träte er zur Wahl morgen an), kann es nicht lassen, den Briten Rat-Schläge zu erteilen.

https://www.pnp.de/nachrichten/politik/3...rte-Brexit.html


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#2304

RE: Brexit

in Politik 25.05.2019 21:37
von Corto (gelöscht)
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Ich hatte bekanntlich eine hohe Meinung von May und ihrer extraordinary stamina.
Dass sie bei ihrer Abdankung Tränen kullern liess, schmälert diese jedoch im Nachhinein etwas...


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#2305

RE: Brexit

in Politik 26.05.2019 15:18
von Willie (gelöscht)
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'Mark my words.
When Theresa May finally resigns, many Tory MPs will come on TV telling us what a 'Strong and stable' leader she was and how she tried to unite the country.'
-Alan M.- (ein Freund)



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#2306

RE: Brexit

in Politik 26.05.2019 16:09
von Hans Bergman | 23.327 Beiträge

Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2305
'Mark my words.
When Theresa May finally resigns, many Tory MPs will come on TV telling us what a 'Strong and stable' leader she was and how she tried to unite the country.'
-Alan M.- (ein Freund)

Es gibt andererseits aber auch genügend Denkfaule, die behaupten, sie habe das country divided.
Dass etwa eine Hälfte der Briten für und etwa eine Hälfte gegen den Brexit sind, dafür kann May jetzt wahrlich nichts.
Und das gilt für alle Länder, in denen über etwas abgestimmt wird und wofür es eine knappe Entscheidung für oder gegen gibt. Da muss man nichts mehr teilen...



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#2307

RE: Brexit

in Politik 26.05.2019 16:12
von Hans Bergman | 23.327 Beiträge

Zitat von Corto im Beitrag #2304
Ich hatte bekanntlich eine hohe Meinung von May und ihrer extraordinary stamina.
Dass sie bei ihrer Abdankung Tränen kullern liess, schmälert diese jedoch im Nachhinein etwas...

Für mich (nah am Wasser gebaut) hat sie dadurch noch an Ansehen gewonnen. :-)



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#2308

RE: Brexit

in Politik 26.05.2019 17:06
von Maga-neu | 35.163 Beiträge

Ich fand es auch nicht so schlimm : May hat Grund zur Vermutung, dass die Historiker mit ihr genauso wenig gnädig umgehen werden wie mit Lord North, der die 13 Kolonien verlor oder mit Anthony Eden, der den Suezkrieg verbockte.

Interessant: Michael Gove hat seinen Hut in den Ring geworfen. Das Duell zwischen ihm und Johnson, zwischen Königsmörder und König, dürfte besonders interessant werden.


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#2309

RE: Brexit

in Politik 26.05.2019 17:12
von Willie (gelöscht)
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Zitat von Hans Bergman im Beitrag #2307
Zitat von Corto im Beitrag #2304
Ich hatte bekanntlich eine hohe Meinung von May und ihrer extraordinary stamina.
Dass sie bei ihrer Abdankung Tränen kullern liess, schmälert diese jedoch im Nachhinein etwas...

Für mich (nah am Wasser gebaut) hat sie dadurch noch an Ansehen gewonnen. :-)

"Nahe am Wasser gebaut zu haben" ist erst einmal fuer sich nichts schlechtes. Aber auch leicht irrefuehrendes. Es hindert so manchen nicht, sich trotzdem in Grausamkeit gegen andere, besonders Schwaecher und Abhaengige zu gefallen. Und manchmal sogar beides gleichzeitig zu tun.

Bezueglich May hatte ich nie eine hohe Meinung von ihr und ihr Geheule aendert daran nichts. Es bestaetigt es eigentlich nur ein mal mehr. Sie heulte, weil sie ihr Amt verliert in dem sie alleine versagt hat. Sie alleine. Und sie beweint sich selbst.
Sie heulte weil sie am Amt mehr hing als an ihrer eigenen Groesse als Mensch. Amtsverliebt und machthungrig, gleichzeitig unfaehig zur eigenen kritischen Beurteilung und zu schwach die Konsequenzen zu tragen. Das ist eigentlich recht beschaemend.
Politiker anderen Kalibers handhabten gleiches sehr viel erwachsener und verantwortungsbewusster.

Ihr Geheule steht uberigens auch im Kontrast zu ihrer voelligen Emotionslosigkeit wenn es um andere Menschen ging. Beim damaligen Hochhausbrand zum Beispiel.
In UK hat man das nicht vergessen.



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#2310

RE: Brexit

in Politik 26.05.2019 17:21
von Willie (gelöscht)
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Enough wishful thinking. The next PM must confront hard realities on Brexit
The Lord Chancellor has watched Theresa May struggle to deliver Brexit for three years. Here he explains the challenges facing her successor

We will have a new prime minister but the task facing them is the same one Theresa May faced for three years: how do we deliver the 2016 referendum result in a way that is good for the prosperity, security and integrity of the UK?

If anyone thinks this is an easy task, they don’t understand the magnitude of the situation. ...

Brexit will dominate this leadership election. But too often, the debate on Brexit has failed to face facts. It has been characterised more by wishful thinking than a clear-sighted appreciation of the economic, diplomatic, parliamentary and political realities. Big promises fail to be delivered, leaving the public yet more disillusioned, angry and tempted by the snake oil of populism. ...

First, we should not pretend that leaving the EU without a deal will be anything other than enormously harmful to our economy, weaken our security relationships and threaten the integrity of the union.
Businesses that rely on access to European markets – whether for exports or supply chain imports – will become unviable. Good jobs will be lost, investment diverted, the public finances weakened and living standards damaged by higher inflation caused by a weaker pound.

There is too often reluctance in pointing out the likely outcome of no deal. The pretence that no deal is somehow manageable by people who should know better has encouraged a growing part of the population to be unwilling to make any kind of accommodation with the EU. Loose talk about no deal has given credibility to the simplistic slogans of the Brexit party and resulted in millions voting for them.

If a candidate believes in a no deal exit, they should be straight with the British people that it will come at a very considerable cost. That cost won’t be wished away by glib assertions that we should simply have “confidence in Britain” or about how we overcame adversity in the second world war. ...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...ealities-brexit


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#2311

RE: Brexit

in Politik 27.05.2019 20:28
von Corto (gelöscht)
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Politics is tough business.
Wer hier rumheult, riskiert in eine Schublade mit Andrea Ypsilanti oder Justin Treudoof zu rutschen.


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#2312

RE: Brexit

in Politik 27.05.2019 21:37
von Maga-neu | 35.163 Beiträge

Zitat von Corto im Beitrag #2311
Politics is tough business.
Wer hier rumheult, riskiert in eine Schublade mit Andrea Ypsilanti oder Justin Treudoof zu rutschen.
So tief ist May dann doch nicht gesunken. Hier Anna Soubry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itgr1_2nIZ0

Nicht einmal ich habe geweint, als ich das Ergebnis der Ökosekte sah. That's what a stiff upper lip means. :-)


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#2313

RE: Brexit

in Politik 27.05.2019 22:11
von Nante | 10.428 Beiträge

Zitat von Corto im Beitrag #2311
Politics is tough business.
Wer hier rumheult, riskiert in eine Schublade mit Andrea Ypsilanti oder Justin Treudoof zu rutschen.


Ich habe fast mitgeflennt... Patriotismus hat immer eine emotionale Komponente. Wenn Sie GB nunmal liebt...


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#2314

RE: Brexit

in Politik 27.05.2019 22:16
von Willie (gelöscht)
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Goodbye EU, and goodbye the United Kingdom
The invented identity of ‘Britishness’ is unravelling as English nationalism takes hold

During the spring of 1975 the Wall Street Journal ran a powerful headline. “Goodbye Great Britain”, the American business newspaper declared. The UK was known as the sick man of Europe. Investors were taking flight in the face of its ruinous economic performance and endemic industrial strife. Greatness had made way for spiralling decline.
The prediction proved premature. Britain was bailed out by the International Monetary Fund and subsequently saved by North Sea oil and, some would say, by Margaret Thatcher’s economic revolution. In any event, a decade later Thatcher was dancing on the world stage with US president Ronald Reagan.

Britain faces another existential moment. The Brexit story was supposed to be about leaving the EU. It has turned into a runaway national crisis. The forces driving Brexit look set to sweep away much more than the institutional machinery, economic relationships, and political ties created during decades of EU membership. Goodbye to Brussels is shaping up as the first act in a two-part drama. The second may well wave goodbye to the UK.

The other day I listened to Mervyn King say that the government should dispense with further talks with Brussels and opt for a no-deal Brexit, albeit after a six-month period of preparation. The costs, the former Bank of England governor said, would be manageable and temporary. Given Lord King’s complacency about the stability of financial markets before the 2008 crash, many will discount his economic judgment. What struck me, however, was his insistence that Brexit was really about identity and culture.
Though he sits on the opposite side of the European debate, the former Conservative chancellor Kenneth Clarke agrees. The impetus for Brexit, Mr Clarke says, comes from a resurgence of the rightwing English nationalist wing of his party. The project reflects a strain of Conservatism that has never come to terms with the loss of empire.

Leaving the EU — Independence Day, the Brexiters call it — is rooted as much in nostalgia as in the populist revolt against elites and outsiders that has supplied the European debate with such visceral anger. Hence the Brexiters’ fantasy of a new “Global Britain” and the ubiquitous allusions to the second world war and Winston Churchill’s readiness to stand alone. The bluster conceals a cry of pain.

Brexit is an English rather than a British enterprise. More specifically, it belongs overwhelmingly to provincial England. With the exception of Birmingham, the nation’s great cities — London, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle among them — were on the side of Remain. They were outvoted by Leavers in smaller English cities and towns and in rural areas. Scotland backed Remain by a large margin. Pace the Brexiters of the Democratic Unionist party, Northern Ireland voted for continued EU membership. Wales followed England out.

Scotland voted in 2014 to stay in the union of the UK. It is hard to imagine it would do the same in another referendum. Five years ago, unionism offered proud Scots two supplementary identities. They could be at once British and European. After Brexit it will be either/or. The 1707 union with England handed Scotland an international role as a partner in empire. Outside of the EU it will be cut off from the rest of Europe.

Theresa May’s government insists that powers returned from Brussels will be hoarded at Westminster rather than shared with the Edinburgh parliament and other devolved administrations. The prime minister wants sharply to reduce immigration. Scotland wants more newcomers to oil the wheels of the economy. Why would that nation, with a political culture steeped in social market centrism, shackle itself to the rule of English nationalists?

Nor can Northern Ireland’s place in the UK any longer be taken for granted. The DUP has made a great fuss about ensuring that a settlement with the EU27 does not differentiate between the province and the rest of the UK. But their hostility to the EU is a minority position in Northern Ireland itself. Nothing has done so much as Brexit to reopen the question of Irish unification.

Britishness is an invented identity. It is deliberately expansive, calculated during the 19th century to cast empire as a joint project of the four nations of the UK. More recently, as the empire came home, it has provided a welcoming mantle for immigrants from former imperial outposts. British citizens of overseas heritage overwhelmingly identify as, well, British. Allegiance to England is seen predominantly as the property of the nation’s white communities.

The Leave side understood this during the 2016 referendum. It made two promises: to spend more money on the National Health Service and to shut out an (entirely imagined) influx of migrants from Turkey. Better to spend money on the health service, the less than subtle message ran, than see hospitals overrun by foreigners. The distance between such sentiments and the overt racism of extremists such as the English Defence League is perilously short.

To watch Britain’s descent into chaos in recent times has been to see the threads of Britishness, woven over centuries, unravel. Identity politics has elbowed aside common purpose. The tears in the fabric run alongside borders and within them. It is hard to imagine how they can be repaired.
https://www.ft.com/content/e4b113f0-5552...gpqsuDAw701e1EY


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#2315

RE: Brexit

in Politik 27.05.2019 22:24
von Willie (gelöscht)
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The three big lies we were told that led to Brexit, the most damaging lie of all
How did the UK get in this situation where those overseas see us with a mixture of incredulity and sadness? It’s a story of political deceit and disinformation

... Recent opinion polls give the Brexit party over 30 per cent of the vote for the European elections, a party with no members and Nigel Farage being the only recognisable person in it. Government business has ground to a halt because of Brexit and the withdrawal bill has still not been passed by parliament.

How did the UK get in this situation where those overseas see us with a mixture of incredulity and sadness? It’s a story of political deceit and media disinformation. Four big lies that were told that had profound consequences on the people and how they were governed.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bre...0aF8y6Oufg0jqtI

Unfortunately too may people still believe these lies, thanks to the drum beat of repetition from the neoliberal media. And as Mark Twain said, "How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again!"
Excellent article by Simon Wren-Lewis, emeritus professor of economics and fellow of Merton College, University of Oxford.



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#2316

RE: Brexit

in Politik 28.05.2019 13:32
von Willie (gelöscht)
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I was a strong Brexiteer. Now we must swallow our pride and think again
If we are to leave the European Union we want a sensible Brexit. There’s no chance of that just now.

It’s nearly three years since I, along with 17. 4 million other Britons, voted for Brexit. Today I have to admit that the Brexit project has gone sour.
Brexit has paralysed the system. It has turned Britain into a laughing stock. And it is certain to make us poorer and to lead to lower incomes and lost jobs.
We Brexiteers would be wise to acknowledge all this. It’s past time we did. We need to acknowledge, too, that that we will never be forgiven if and when Brexit goes wrong. Future generations will look back at what we did and damn us.
So I argue, as a Brexiteer, that we need to take a long deep breath. We need to swallow our pride, and think again. Maybe it means rethinking the Brexit decision altogether.

Certainly it means a delay when we can think about it all in a period of calm. Europe is offering us this opportunity. President Tusk is ready to offer a year’s extension. I say: grab it with both hands.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendem...zQzsYjM1V7_d2tw


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#2317

RE: Brexit

in Politik 28.05.2019 14:15
von Maga-neu | 35.163 Beiträge

Zitat von Willie im Beitrag #2316
I was a strong Brexiteer. Now we must swallow our pride and think again
If we are to leave the European Union we want a sensible Brexit. There’s no chance of that just now.

It’s nearly three years since I, along with 17. 4 million other Britons, voted for Brexit. Today I have to admit that the Brexit project has gone sour.
Brexit has paralysed the system. It has turned Britain into a laughing stock. And it is certain to make us poorer and to lead to lower incomes and lost jobs.
We Brexiteers would be wise to acknowledge all this. It’s past time we did. We need to acknowledge, too, that that we will never be forgiven if and when Brexit goes wrong. Future generations will look back at what we did and damn us.
So I argue, as a Brexiteer, that we need to take a long deep breath. We need to swallow our pride, and think again. Maybe it means rethinking the Brexit decision altogether.

Certainly it means a delay when we can think about it all in a period of calm. Europe is offering us this opportunity. President Tusk is ready to offer a year’s extension. I say: grab it with both hands.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendem...zQzsYjM1V7_d2tw
Haha, nice try, but that fellow was never a Brexiteer. That's political PR at its best (or at its worst). The guy needs to swallow his disappointment that Brits voted two times for Brexit - in 2016 and in 2019. :-)



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#2318

RE: Brexit

in Politik 28.05.2019 15:30
von Willie (gelöscht)
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Brexit fallout sees New York overtake London as top financial centre, according to survey
Report suggests Britain losing top spot thanks to 'full-blown crisis' over EU exit
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho...s-a8933101.html


Ireland and France to build new electricity cable bypassing Britain after Brexit
Celtic Interconnector will stretch 500km from Ireland south coast to Brittany
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...t-a8933116.html



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#2319

RE: Brexit

in Politik 28.05.2019 18:27
von Willie (gelöscht)
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'Brexit Party' supporters tell British-Asian Labour MEP to go home during acceptance speech
A newly-re-elected Labour MEP of British-Asian Sikh heritage was heckled by people telling her to "go home" during her acceptance speech in the West Midlands.

West Midlands Labour posted a video to Twitter showing angry people said to be supporters of the Brexit Party, yelling towards the stage at the Birmingham count where Neena Gill was making her speech. Labour called the incident "an ugly truth".

The Labour party candidate was re-elected on Sunday as the first British- Asian Sikh woman MEP, after winning 35% of the vote - 25,000 more than the Brexit Party candidate.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics...mju12IoDUdQJIQs

The rise of the imbecils in action.
Ich hatte diesbezueglich vor einigen Tagen ja bereits schon mal einen Artikel eingestellt. Ich werde ihn nochmal in Deutsch posten sobald ich die Uebersetzung fertig habe. Er ist es wert gelesen zu werden.


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#2320

RE: Brexit

in Politik 28.05.2019 19:45
von Maga-neu | 35.163 Beiträge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbazd5XBItk

The rise of do-gooders in action. A sort of the "no hate" nice folks...


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#2321

RE: Brexit

in Politik 28.05.2019 22:01
von Maga-neu | 35.163 Beiträge

Oh, I forgot, they are not do-gooders, they are Soros' stormtroopers...
https://www.google.de/search?q=soros+pal...gx4Y_TiM:&vet=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuP2wvTAj0E
High Chancellor Palpatine: I love the Republic.
Soros: I love democracy and an open society.



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#2322

RE: Brexit

in Politik 28.05.2019 22:17
von Maga-neu | 35.163 Beiträge

https://www.abendblatt.de/politik/articl...und-Macron.html

Das neue einige Europa, von dem Willie schwärmt...


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#2323

RE: Brexit

in Politik 28.05.2019 22:34
von Hans Bergman | 23.327 Beiträge

Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2322
https://www.abendblatt.de/politik/article225605047/Machtpoker-um-EU-Spitzenaemter-entzweit-Merkel-und-Macron.html

Das neue einige Europa, von dem Willie schwärmt...

Genau. Und im TV gerade: "Sehen Sie jetzt einen Bericht über die Machtspielchen in Brüssel". Man hat keine Scheu in den Medien von "Spielchen" zu reden, ohne das auch nur im geringsten kritisch zu sehen.



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#2324

RE: Brexit

in Politik 28.05.2019 22:44
von Leto_II. | 27.808 Beiträge

Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2322
https://www.abendblatt.de/politik/article225605047/Machtpoker-um-EU-Spitzenaemter-entzweit-Merkel-und-Macron.html

Das neue einige Europa, von dem Willie schwärmt...

Das ist genau das Europa der nationalen Interessen, das Du präferierst.


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#2325

RE: Brexit

in Politik 28.05.2019 22:55
von Maga-neu | 35.163 Beiträge

Zitat von Leto_II. im Beitrag #2325
Zitat von Maga-neu im Beitrag #2322
https://www.abendblatt.de/politik/article225605047/Machtpoker-um-EU-Spitzenaemter-entzweit-Merkel-und-Macron.html

Das neue einige Europa, von dem Willie schwärmt...

Das ist genau das Europa der nationalen Interessen, das Du präferierst.
Die immer mit einer europäischen Sauce zugeschüttet werden. Jetzt lese ich in deutschen Zeitungen ganz unverhohlen, dass Deutschland die EU führen müsse. (Klar, die anderen haben eben nicht so gewählt wie die Deutschen, und die CDU/CSU ist nur drittstärkste Partei nach der Brexit Party Farages und der Lega Salvinis). Überleg mal, wer die EU kaputtmacht durch neuen Größenwahn...

Ich denke, Weber wird es nicht werden, Timmermanns wird es nicht werden, vielleicht wird es die Dänin, vielleicht zaubert man doch einen ganz neuen Kandidaten aus dem Hut...


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